The MOON: I practice shamanic journeying with a guide (Anna Alkin, a frequent contributor to these pages) and find the experience of journeying similar to the communication experiences you describe in your book. I meet and converse with other beings on my journeys—underwater, in the air, or elsewhere—while physically I’m sitting in a room in north central Washington and my fellow journeyers are in Ohio, Canada, Oregon, and Paris. Many times we come back with similar messages. Can you tell us more about your process for communicating with Apollo?
Prager: Regarding shamanic journeying, yes, it’s communication beyond words. I do guided imagery in my therapy practice, as well, as I describe Selene doing in the book. Selene takes a young girl client on a visualization journey to meet a dragon who helps her to find her father and to find out that it wasn’t her fault that he drowned.
The MOON: Right.
Prager: I think going inside is a big part of the answer. We can achieve a non-verbal connection somewhere else. I’m personally convinced that three dimensions are not all there are to reality. Many thinkers have told us that time and space are just a construct of the brain, and that we are so much more than a physical brain. There is more that we’re meant to access—and it’s not just in dream life. It is, as you say, in journeying, and in other states of consciousness. But we’ve lived in a box. We’ve decided our limits, which are three dimensions, and the only reality is what science can measure. I don’t mean to knock science at all. I’m grateful for what science has been able to give us. But so far science is limited to what the five senses can prove, and there is so much more out there. If we didn’t have Geiger counters we would never know about radioactivity, for example. If we didn’t have a television, we’d never know there were television wavelengths passing through the room with us. If we didn’t have X-rays, or ultrasound, we wouldn’t have access to all kinds of images that are invisible to the naked eye. We know there are sound waves we can’t hear, but dogs can. We know there are parts of the light spectrum we can’t see, but we’ve developed technology to measure it. We can’t even imagine how many things might be present, but remain invisible to us because we don’t have anything by which to measure them…yet.
I wrote another whole book called Journey to Alternity: Transformational Healing Through Stories and Metaphors that includes descriptions of everything from past-life regressions to astonishing healings that, by scientific terms, can only be called miraculous. Even scientists are now saying that nonlocal effects happen; that atoms act upon each other at a distance. So I’m not alone in believing that we live in a holographic universe, which basically means that the whole is contained in each of the parts. So yes, science may not yet have been able to confirm what you and I experience during shamanic journeys, or past-life regressions, or miraculous healings, but if we come back from these experiences with wisdom, or with healing, or with a new and a profound understanding, or a deeper love, what more “proof” do we need?
Scientists who have done research on holographs tell us that when you cut a holographic plate in half, you don’t get the front half of a horse, for example, on one plate and the back half of a horse on the other. You get a complete, albeit smaller, blurrier horse on each half. Cut the plate in quarters and you get four blurry images. That’s because in a holograph all of the information is “smeared” over the plate.
If the universe is indeed holographic, all of the information in it is smeared through all of it. We are each part of it and we each have access to all of it. I love the way someone expressed it: “There’s only one moon but it is reflected in every little puddle.” We are each a reflection of the universe, but the whole may be so blurry that it’s really hard to know what it is that everybody else knows. However, it’s not impossible. If our brains are holograms then everything is accessible to us at some point, which is why your journeying is so important. I believe we are not just three-dimensional bodies, but also part of the universe, and that’s a whole lot bigger. Thinking this way helps you get to the place where you recognize we’re all connected; we’re all part of this hologram.
The MOON: I guess one concern is that the experiences could be called imaginary and, while my imaginary experiences may be benign—at least to me—I wouldn’t necessarily want to endorse, or put a lot of faith in, other people’s imaginary experiences.
Prager: I am not in a position to speak about shamanic journeying except to confirm your best experiences with it. What Apollo seemed to be telling me was that we are all interconnected and can know each others’ hearts and minds when we meet in that higher vibration, that other dimension that we share holographically. It’s a kind of telepathic communication, which I saw him demonstrate with children who couldn’t speak but could think. They had a meeting of the minds. You could call it “tuning in.”
The head physical therapist, whom I called Matthew, told me that he had experimented with what he learned from Apollo with one young patient who wanted to give it a try. He asked her why she had been so unhappy lately. They both separately drew a picture and the pictures matched—the moon, as it happened. It was stunning to him that they could communicate that way. We’re not “reading” others’ minds but sharing thoughts, especially with permission. Even the government has done non-local studies, including killing! at a distance—as documented in Men Who Stare At Goats, and “remote viewing,” in which psychic viewers in studies at Stanford Research Institute were able to find a downed Russian bomber in Africa and locate a kidnapped American general in Italy, among other things.
The MOON: Tell us more about the unique abilities dolphins bring to healing humans.
Prager: They have echolocation, biosonar, for starters. That’s how they find things in murky water. They’re expert diagnosticians. They send out vibrations that can penetrate skin, for example, so they can read our organs. They love it when they find somebody who has metallic implants, like a hip replacement. They think that’s hilarious. They love pregnant women. They can see that too. Their abilities are akin to our reading an ultrasound. They send out a sound wave and can see the image that bounces back.
They have extraordinary brains, very different from ours, with an extra lobe, sometimes called a “paralimbic lobe,” plus an oil sack we call a “melon,” which can focus a sonic beam through the water or air, strike an object and bounce it back for interpretation. Some people call it an acoustic lens. This helps them use echolocation to figure out the configuration—inside and out—of whatever they are “reading,” its distance, speed, and so much more. In addition, their “paralimbic lobe” apparently processes both emotions and cognitive abilities in a way of thinking that we don’t have. Some investigators have speculated that cetaceans can process more complex thoughts and emotions than we can. Also, while we humans process sight, sound, and other sensory and motor inputs separately and more slowly, the dolphin’s paralimbic lobe brings this all together in one, processing information rapidly with a richness that we cannot understand. For example, there are strong possibilities that cetaceans can project an auditory image that replicates a sonar message that they may receive. So a dolphin wishing to convey an image of a fish to another dolphin can literally send the image of the fish to the other animal via sound.
These are some of the ways they are able to be such expert diagnosticians. Perhaps they also employ ultrasound for healing. I read about a doctor in Israel who uses MRIs to locate growths and other problems in his patients and then uses focused ultrasound to zap them—whether they’re tumors, brain lesions, uterine fibroids, whatever. He calls it “surgery without scalpels.”
A woman stopped me at one of my talks and said, “I was swimming with wild dolphins, and one of them kept tapping on my shoulder, tapping on my shoulder. When I got home, I went to the doctor and asked if he could check. I had a tumor growing there. If the dolphin hadn’t told me, I wouldn’t have known.”
When I was observing the dolphin-assisted therapy in the Bahamas, one of the patients had had cataract surgery. His father had gone blind, and so he’d had the surgery, but he was worried about it. Two dolphins swam up to him lying in the water, one on each side, and tapped three times against his temples, each tap harder than the last. They also vocalized. That’s all they did and then they swam away. The next morning, when the man rejoined the group he said, “My peripheral vision is entirely open.” So whatever they do, whatever they’re sending and whatever they’re seeing, they are diagnosticians first of all, and second, they seem able to do things to help. To me, it’s just stunning that they want to. They’re able to, and they want to.
The MOON: In the book you write, “Dolphins have a higher ratio of association of neurons in the neocortex to neurons in the limbic system,” and you link that to greater emotional intelligence. Can you explain why?
Prager: Reasoning in the brain is controlled both by the cerebral cortex and the limbic system. Emotional thoughts, as we all realize, can assume control, affecting and sometimes confusing our ability to think clearly. So the higher ratio of association neurons in the neocortex in relation to the limbic system’s neurons can provide more emotional intelligence, more emotional stability. It’s believed that dolphins, with their higher ratio in the limbic system, might have greater emotional self-control that could allow them to use those influential emotions for empathy and altruism, allowing them to be more kind and thoughtful.
The MOON: You mention in the book that in Greek mythology the god Apollo first appeared to humans at Delphi as a dolphin. Hawaiians, as well as some Native Americans, also say that their ancestors come from the Pleiades and first incarnated on earth as cetaceans. The non-physical entity Kryon, too, says that whales are the Akashic Record keepers, which is why they must not be hunted and why they will never be permitted to go extinct. Apollo seems to share their cosmology.
Prager: I didn’t know about the Native American and others’ beliefs. I just knew that Apollo received a calling so great from “the Old One,” the ancient blue whale, the oldest whale on Earth, that it couldn’t be ignored. Your reference to whales being the Akashic Record keepers makes sense in that regard. Including the Old One as part of the story only came to me as I was writing it. I understood that Apollo had been assigned to be this messenger, although he’s just an ordinary dolphin, by an ancient creature whose wisdom and respectability was beyond question. I don’t even understand why I’m called to do this, let alone why Apollo would be.
Dolphins, however, are perhaps one-fiftieth the size of a blue whale. Apollo is in awe to be next to her. Yet she says to him, “We know you can do it.” And so he accepts the assignment to try to wake up humankind. You saying that whales are the keepers of the karmic records gives credence to her rationale. She tells Apollo, “There isn’t a whole lot of time left and everybody knows that.” Human beings are threatening the very planet right now. So there isn’t time not to want to be your brother’s keeper, or to not want to take care of each other and this planet. There isn’t time.
Receiving this message, I wrote the book with a kind of urgency. I sent it for review to a Harvard professor who lectures on dolphins. He told me that the book, the dolphin’s message, has “never been needed more.” He shared my sense that this is the moment. This is what I feel. This is what Matthew was saying. This is what the Old One was telling Apollo, that there’s an urgency now. We cannot ignore it anymore. The dolphins are saying, “This is our last try to reach you guys. Are you paying attention?”
The MOON: Have received any ongoing communication from Apollo since publishing the book?
Prager: When Apollo died, Matthew sent me a dolphin fluke necklace that has Apollo’s name on it. I wear it always. I live near the Pacific Ocean and there are times when I’ll walk to the beach and say, “Please show yourselves because I need another boost of faith.” Just the other day, a whole pod came and surfed in the direction that I was standing, and I felt that as an affirmation; a validation.
I’m not a marine biologist; merely a messenger for what I believe is the message the dolphins are bringing us at this crucial time. Apollo says to Selene near the end of the book: This is the moment of awakening. It is for this that we have come. It is for this that YOU have come. Hard as it may be for you to believe—and it was certainly hard for me to learn it, too—you are one of the reasons we were here and that is because this is your moment. What you perceive as our playfulness is merely an invitation for you to come closer.
So when it seems that we are here to help you heal, or here to entertain you, or here to be your friends, while that is all true, that is not all.
The “all” is that it is time for us to hear their message and awaken to our interconnectedness, to consciousness, to altruism, to love.
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